they're open to medicare. they've been open to changing provider payments which there is a lot of waste there. encouraging pharmacy companies to give medicare and medicaid better rates. those are all positive reforms. those are big savings. so we can take and find savings from the provider side. it is when you go after the beneficiaries that you run into problems but look, you know, romney ran an entire campaign hitting democrats for cutting $716 billion out of medicare. now they turn -- republicans backed that view we shouldn't touch medicare at all. now they turn around and say you have to cut medicare. it is as if the 716 debate we had for months didn't happen. >> bill: we know -- you know, the fact is the phrase entitlement reform, i wish democrats would stop using it because by republicans democrats mean one thing which is making the system more efficient, more cost-effective, delivering more benefits and getting rid of the waste like the $716 billion. when republicans say entitlement reform they mean pau